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Mr. Pebble
10-20-2005, 09:34 AM
CNBC this moring, October 20, 2005 had people talk about how American manufacturers were getting killed in international markets because we are the only country that lacks national health care. This is just small part of a big issue. I sent them the following email. After you read it, go to the thread on 12,000 jobs and look at thing in a different perspective on that issue as well. Amazing what happens when you view things with an open mind.

Mrpebble

Re: You item on health care -

You have it all wrong. Health care is not the problem with American industry. Look at it this way - we can have nationalized, employer paid or deposit account health care. With deposit account, favored by the Republicans, you pay your own and millions die. With nationalized, favored by the Democrats, the government pays and you have substandard health care which is why so many people in other countries have gone private. With employer paid, there is (or should be) a strong oversight into health care costs.

Now, does this affect a manufacturers competitiveness in international markets? Not at all. In a world unencumbered by political trickery, the costs are high, imports come in, the dollar is devalued and our products become competitive in world markets again. No problem.

Let's look at the real picture - we don't save squat in this country and therefore, with no saving to invest, the interest rate is higher here. Foreigners sell their products in the U.S., bringing prices down. Logically, they would take something that we make back home, balancing trade. That would raise prices here in those items but the principles of Comparative and Absolute advantage would benefit both countries with lower prices and a higher standard of living.

Does it work? Not at all. When foreigners sell something here, they can earn a lot more money with it here because the interest rate is higher. They buy our debt, buy our industries and finance our national debt. This makes for lower prices on the items we would export and creates the illusion of prosperity but, in fact, is borrowing against the future and covers up an insidious inflation that must be paid for later on. Also, everyone is propping up the dollar, especially Japan because they prefer jobs to wealth. They have the jobs, we have the goodies and there are people here who would want to reverse that. Strange!!

The consequences? Actually, at some point in the future, these countries will want their money back and the dollar will be so devaluated that they will only get ten cents to the dollar and essentially, we will get everything almost for free. The down side is that the world will cut us off from credit, they will own us, inflation will rise to hyperinflation and we will be bankrupt. Can Soylent green be far behind?

Now, look at the real problem, our educational system. As we got wealthy after WW II, we started to buy off our children rather than educate them. To keep college students out of Vietnam, everyone got passing grades for no work. Right now, we are turning out PhD's who are barely literate and we are in our third generation of brain dead education not only infiltrating corporations all the way to the top but they have become our school teachers who entertain students and send them to my college class, unable to subtract 9 from 15 without a calculator.

So, the problem is not our manufacturing jobs going to Mexico and China, it is our intellectual jobs going to India because our country can not educationally function. I have always said that any terrorist could bring this country to its knees by disabling the mechanism that tells cashiers how much change to give after a sale.

Let's do the reality check. If going overseas is so good for the nearly bankrupt GM, how come the Japanese come here and prosper? If we could solidly educate our children and yong adults, they would have a greater capacity to add value to resources and we could pay for healthcare and prosper without doing it through debt creation. It's all education and productivity, not the cost of health care. We need to stop curing the symptoms and cure the disease. Our economy has been in decline since 1974 when the interest on our national debt exceeded our growth in productivity and it has been getting much worse every year.

Had enough? Too bad. If you want more consider a complaint at www.autoindustryforum.com where one complained about GM paying so many workers for doing nothing. Go there and read the answer to that by Mrpebble, that's me. It doesn't look so bad when you look at the big picture.

The arrogance of both labor and management has to end. Right now they are two groups with fat heads and fat asses who are too lazy to put down their remote controls and go to work and would be continuously shooting themselves in the foot but they were too lazy to go to practice and can't aim that well or they would be walking on stumps.

mchastek
10-20-2005, 01:13 PM
I agree 100%. It's not the lack of health care, but the lack of discipline, work ethic, etc. Students in other countries go to school 6 days a week, participate in a tremendous amount of extra-curricular activities, and are kicking our butts. The suicide rate is higher, yes, but they're far out-producing us in every sense of the word.

Great letter Mr. Pebble! I'm curious if you ever got a response.

Mr. Pebble
10-20-2005, 01:53 PM
Mrpebble has contacted CNBC many times in the past and they never responded. One time I challenged Joe Kernen as to why there was never a response. His answer: "We don't respond to the Unabomber either." They have not responded since then but understand, CNBC acts in the best interestd of its advertisers and Wall Street interests and their interest is making money off the listeners money and nothing else so their viewpoint can not be respected, at least not by myself.

Mr. Pebble.

mchastek
10-20-2005, 02:34 PM
We don't respond to the Unibomber either??? That's ridiculous. Politics all around - you're right.

Viper 10
10-25-2005, 08:04 PM
Have you noticed that every country that has national healthcare is completely screwed up financially? Britain and Canada are upside down on it and they both have income tax rates of more than 50%. On top of this, most of these countries rely on the US for their defense. I think that you guys are drinking the Liberal union Kool-Aid if you believe that national healthcare would save GM and the automakers.

The unions are killing the big companies. What idiotic company in this day and age insure their employees themselves? Most sane companies would outsource the healthcare to the traditional providers like Blue Cross, Cigna and Aetna.

This argument is so full of liberal crap it makes me want to vomit. I have a son that had 17 invasive surgeries in his first year of life. He was in 4 different hospitals intensive care units from birth and spent his entire first year outside of the hospitals with 7 by 24 hours nursing care and oxygen. If we had a national healthcare system like Canada (which is supposedly the model for national healthcare) he would be dead. Do you want to know where I got that explanation? From my Canadian relatives who are all doctors. I have at least 2 dozen relatives that are MD's in Canada. Maintenance healthcare is marginally better. ANY critical and specialized healthcare is way below US standards. On top of this stupid scenario, the Canadian government buys drugs fro their addicts. WTF is that all about? You walk around Toronto and Vancouver and you find spent needles in every alley in the downtown areas.

Do you naive people want to know where the biggest concentration of Canadian medical specialist are? The highest concentrations of these specialist are in Detroit and Seattle.... do you think that they know something that your Liberal newspapers aren't telling us?

Do you want to know what a second opinion is in any Canadian middle class family or above? A second opinion in Canada is AMERICAN INSURANCE! Wake up you bleeding heart liberals and smell reality. Most of you don't have a clue what you are spewing...

Anyone in this country can get healthcare paid by any respective state. How do I know? Because we came close to filing bankruptcy with over the $1 million in bills for my son in his first year health care. The state of CA would have picked up my son's bills if I needed that parachute.. and none of you will ever know how close we came to needing it. National healthcare in NOT the problem... the problem is the self serving unions who lobby to paralyze our economy, drive our businesses offshore because of runaway costs and can't see beyond their selfish noses.

That's my $.05 worth. If you have something specific to say, then bring it on. I've got all of the gorry details to share about why US healthcare is the best healthcare on Earth. Keep your political rhetoric for the politicians who will never use national healthcare... probably like most of you well off Liberals.

Flame suit on!

Brad

jdavis
11-04-2005, 02:13 PM
You're way to convoluted and confused. Capitalist societies should place health benefits in the private sector. Any communist competitors should have tariffs imposed on products sold here and in other capitalist countries. The greatest threat to freedom is the knowledge that the voter holds the purse strings. Ultimately they will "vote themselves largesse" and destroy the economy. It's not that China has national health care and we don't. It's that we pay for health care in the compensation package that is an integral part of a FREE, capitalist economy and China should do the same and quit subsidizing its "COMPETITIVE" "private" corporations. Get China out of the communist realm and put its health care in the private sector. SAVE HEALTH CARE. PRIVATIZE HEALTH CARE NOW!!

Rennsport Calgary
11-19-2005, 10:45 AM
Couldn't agree more....because I live in Canada any my wife works directly in the health care industry as a physiotherapist.